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welcome to night vision radio welcome to

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Barnett man this has been one heck of a

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week I don't know if you guys have felt

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it but it seems like somehow time is

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speeding up and since we have a

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physicist on our show tonight maybe we

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can get asked some questions about that

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why why it feels that way also when it

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you know this week or this week and last

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week I had my email hacked and i don't

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know why these people get off on doing

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this kind of stuff but last week i was

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sending everybody out emails about

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transvaginal mesh and this week I've

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been sending people emails that alert

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them to the fact that there's a

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pedophile in their neighborhood not that

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there's not a pedophile in your

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neighborhood believe me there is but the

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email was not for me so if you got one

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of those emails for me this week I do

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apologize and I have taken immediate

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stamps both times to change things

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around so that that doesn't happen again

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but I guess it's happening along is that

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a another couple of friends who were

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hacked in exactly the same way this week

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so we'll try to keep an eye on that and

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keep those silly emails to a minimum now

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we will go from the ridiculous to the

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sublime and our guest tonight is nuclear

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physicist Stanton Friedman I he calls

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himself the Flying Saucer physicists so

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I'm not being derogatory when I say that

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because he is a one of the few academics

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that are out speaking out loud about the

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UFO subject about government secrecy and

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of course he's known as the original

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Roswell researcher and with his book

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crash at Corona revealed a lot

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the details for the first time to the

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public so welcome Stanton Friedman to

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our show well I'm great glad to be here

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I've never been described as sublime

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before but well well certainly not

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ridiculous i'll say that and my email

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hacking is really getting on my nerves

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but i'm going to let that go tonight and

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get into some really interesting stuff

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with you now i know that you just were

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at the anniversary of the Roswell event

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in Roswell New Mexico let this past

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weekend right yes what was the annual

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festival uh Roswell festival there over

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6,000 people came over the three or four

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days loads of lectures and panels and

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sold a lot of books uh met a lot of

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lovely people uh it was hot but that's

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Roswell but yeah so it went very well it

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was very pleased with that nobody

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brought an alien body to me to show but

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otherwise you know it wasn't it was good

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and I a lot of people think that if you

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come out strongly pro UFO you're going

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to get a hard time and I don't you know

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700-plus lectures I've had 11 hecklers

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and do them were drunk uh and you get

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that many if you talk about religion or

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sports or politics or anything like that

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so that's but that's no problem but the

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more there is a problem in ufology but

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there are all kinds of people saying all

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kinds of things and forgetting the basic

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rule which should be have facts in hand

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before putting mountain gear or computer

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in here is the case may be and a lot of

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people saying a lot of things that

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simply aren't true you know they read it

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on the internet or they saw it on

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youtube or whatever and you know my face

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is on YouTube a lot but that doesn't

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mean I think you should believe

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everything you hear on you to read on

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the internet for goodness sakes yeah I I

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have a good friend author Henry Lincoln

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who says

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believe no one not even me he said

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because belief is the key word don't

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believe it no it find out for yourself

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corroborate it before you go around

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making announcements that is a big

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problem in ufology and has been for a

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long long time yes friend it worries me

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greatly because you know there's a new

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generation growing up and they're less

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critical I think you know if they see it

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on youtube or the internet they they

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believe it and they wouldn't put it on

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there if it wasn't true right wrong yeah

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exactly you know it there people are

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certainly showing a lot of interest in

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UFOs you can see all the shows that are

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on television himself uh that means

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something and one of the interesting

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things this weekend in Roswell was how

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many families were there people bringing

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their kids it's family entertainment if

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he will at the museum and the exhibits

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and is no tin hats and you know very

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there were several scientists there and

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interesting talks and it was a good

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opportunity and the interesting thing

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too is that the people come from all

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over the world but there's over a

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hundred countries people have come from

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could go to the Roswell UFO museum

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international UFO Museum and Research

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Center and they got one heck of a

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library if anybody wants to do with

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thesis project boy a lot of source

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material down there people have donated

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their own connections collections and so

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it's educational and in the formal sense

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as well as the informal museum you know

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walk by the exhibits and all that sort

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of stuff great place to visit but

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remember and I just this happened some

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several times some people think that

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area 51 is right next door to Roswell

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yeah that's about 600 miles away and I I

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don't recommend trying to see them both

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on the same day you know not that you

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can see much at area 51 exactly I don't

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even know if you can get out to the

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mailbox anymore I guess you can

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haven't been out there in years and

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years but they're certainly not much not

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much to see whether was there anything

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that surprised you that came out at the

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conference or any big revelations or

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anything or did was there anything new

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that you had not heard before not a lot

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that was new to me anyway you know I've

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been at this a long time read my first

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book in 1958 gave my first lecture in

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1967 been doing a monthly column for the

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new fund journal for you know ten years

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maybe something so I get a lot of

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feedback uh no I I wouldn't say that

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there was anything tremendously new

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newsworthy you know breakthrough or

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anything like that on the other hand

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there was serious discussion at the

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panel's about Roswell and stuff and

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frank temblor a research scientist has

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been examining small pieces of stuff

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that has been found out of the crash

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site we're waiting for more detailed

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results on the isotope ratios and the

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pieces to see whether gee maybe we can

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prove that their extraterrestrial which

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would be neat uh it takes a while and a

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lot of money to do some of these tests

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but that was exciting in that sense that

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he does have some pieces that look

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promising let's put it that way back

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back in the day when you were

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researching the Roswell story were you

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ever able to see or touch any of the

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materials the IR the that no no I've

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talked to people who handle the material

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who maybe Justin also jr. well Jesse

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to talk to him Sarah and his son Jesse

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Marcel jr. whom we lost so where are you

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you know and one of the things that's

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important about Roswell and that the

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debugger debunkers try to avoid talking

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about is that we're dealing with the

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most elite military group in the war

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rolled and I don't say that casually the

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50 ninth bomb wing which was the group

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based at roswell in 1947 they're the

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ones who dropped the atomic bomb on

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hiroshima and nagasaki they dropped two

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more than exterior at operation

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crossroads they were the only group in

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the world at that time that had any

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nuclear weapons either for explosion or

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storage or waiting whatever and people

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want to forget that there were

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hand-picked officers hand-picked men all

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of high-level security clearances and

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the best of the best I mean for example

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the base commander I was a West Point

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graduate he was a colonel Blanchard was

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his name he went on after Roswell to get

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four more promotions to be a four-star

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general and was vice chief of staff of

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the Air Force when he died of a massive

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heart attack at the Pentagon now I've

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had people call him a loose cannon how

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can I call a guy a loose cannon who got

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that far every promotion after Colonel

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has to be approved by Congress hi and

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all those guys had nuclear weapons under

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their control Blanchard when he was on

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his way up was I Strategic Air Command

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and and thousands of the clear weapons

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under his control night it gotta be

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careful about who you put in those

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positions is like the people who work at

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the missile launch sites you don't just

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go around the street and say hey anybody

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want to work at the missile site you got

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to stay down underground for a while

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that's not how it happens they all get

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tested and looked after and we should be

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glad about that you know I you don't

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want somebody with an itchy finger

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finger on the button so to speak so uh

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the the people at the base now Jesse

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Marcel jr. for example he was only 11

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when he handled pieces of the wreckage

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but it went on to be a medical doctor a

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flight surgeon uh he was called back

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into the military he'd been in the

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reserve for a long time served in

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you know the place that we were never at

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UH the Vietnam War while he was shot

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down there is called back ended 68 to

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serve in Iraq and he flew 225 combat

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hours in helicopters temperature up to

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130 uh at age 68 he was called back in

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and so I respect him so greatly I've

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been in his home I was in his father's

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home his father was the intelligence

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officer as well I which is how he

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happened to handle material it wasn't

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that it was Declassified at the time his

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dad came back from out and on the ranch

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were the pieces were found the stuff

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wasn't classified yet until the next day

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you know official ruling and all essa so

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I you get people like that you get

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impressed and I've had people attack the

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public information officer guy named

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Walter out and they said what one guy a

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debunker said Oh an unnamed Pio public

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information officer released an

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unauthorized press story total baloney

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he didn't even know the name of altering

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its in all the serious books a proper

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place and it was authorized by Colonel

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Blanchard and he was more than a Pio 20

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bombing missions is a bomba dear in

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World War two and chosen to drop the

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instrument package during one of the

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atom bomb tests in 1946 and you choose

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your best guys to do that because

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without the instrument package that test

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is worthless animal so you got to be

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careful about listening to the debunkers

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I want to debunk the debunkers and they

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don't do their homework because I know

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there's no evidence you see and they

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make proclamations research by

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Proclamation is not scientific or

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rational or journalistically okay its

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investigation that we mean that's why

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I've been to 20 archives I big arguments

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going on about operation majestic 12

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named after your guy there hi MJ our

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producer who's secretly in mj-12 spy and

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that the people who are they keep saying

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well this document can't be real because

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and I've got a gunner art where listen

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12 because it's all of which I could

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demonstrate we're totally false by going

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to archives and getting factual

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information and yeah it's painstaking

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and it but it's exciting every once in a

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while you make a discovery that makes it

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all worthwhile a typical one is that one

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of the listed members of this mj-12

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group which I think was real and I think

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still exists but with a new name because

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whenever a code name gets publicized you

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change the name that's true i worked

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under security for 14 years when the

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most interesting people was dr. Donald

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Menzel a Harvard University astronomer

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and in verse pleasures say how could

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that be he was a total debunker he wrote

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three anti UFO books you don't need a

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high level security clearance to teach

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astronomy at Harvard obviously and so

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everybody else we could tell just by

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their job so you know directors of CIA

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in cheapest at the Air Force and people

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like that uh they all had high level

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security clearances so how does mental

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fit in there obviously the documents are

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fraud well I found one little mention of

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him in another file contacted Harvard

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had to get permission from three

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different people to see his papers and I

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didn't like him while he was alive I had

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one run-in with them invited into a

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lecture I was giving at Harvard and he

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he said oh I know all about you I gave

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my name we'd never met I didn't oh you

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saw my congressional testimony next to

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yours oh I've seen letters and memos I

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didn't find out what that meant until

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last year's matter but on and his next

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statement set me off he said you can't

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be a scientist and believe in flying

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saucers at which I left here surely here

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not series you know and he got angry

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and he started a rant and rave and I

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said look I just called out of courtesy

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to invite you to my lecture tonight I

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didn't know whether they Dundee was to

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an engineering alumni group I didn't

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know whether they've done the advance

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publicity you know on campus as opposed

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to for their group oh well of course I

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won't go so I told the story at the

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lecture so I was not inclined to believe

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that he could have anything genuine to

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do with flying saucers until i get to

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Harvard and to my total shock I had seen

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as UFO correspondence at him Aaron

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philosophical society library nothing

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exciting there except the bunkering kind

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of thing but I go to his papers there's

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a file labeled JFK and holding you the

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Holy Grail uh Ian Kennedy was on the

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board of overseers at Harvard and his

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area of interest was astronomy so that's

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how he got to know Donald mental and

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they got to know each other pretty well

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even had breakfast together from looking

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at the files and stuff anyway uh there's

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a letter from Menzel to Kennedy saying

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that there's one area in which I may be

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able to be of assistance that is with

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regard to the National Security Agency

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you know the big spy agency never says

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anything no such agency mr. Snowden's

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outfit if you will and he mental says I

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had a longer continuous association with

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this organization than anybody in the

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country 30 years and it's navy

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predecessor when we are properly cleared

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to each other I can tell you more well

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this was a total shock uh and people say

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well you could have found it on your

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computer at home no I couldn't those

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files haven't been scanned at that time

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certainly they weren't and so I went on

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to find out a lot more about mental

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there was an unpublished autobiography

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and stuff it turns out he was a

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world-class cryptographer codebreaker he

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taught cryptography

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he did classified work for a whole bunch

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of agencies nobody knew that two special

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issues of sky and telescope which

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basically published by Harvard

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Smithsonian Institution then hovered and

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neither one of them mentioned any of the

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classified work he did after World War

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two he served in the Navy intelligence

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work but who knew about all this other

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stuff nobody and there were people in

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ufology telling me outstanding gotta be

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kidney couldn't lead a double life well

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none of them went to Harvard to look and

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we all know people who lead double lives

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think of all the spies yeah 3 named

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three names that come to mind Burgess

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Philby and McClain these were three

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Englishmen who were spies for the Soviet

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Union who served in British intelligence

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now boy that's leading a double life

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isn't it Wow it is you know so anyway I

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get upset at people who raise objections

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based on proclamation rather than

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investigations I it's tedious but well I

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go into some of this I've got it on one

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of my other books is top secret magic

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Maj IC which is the story of mj-12 and I

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raised the objections and demolished

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them you can't ignore them Stanton ball

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for people who might not be as familiar

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with the UFO field could you just give a

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brief description of what mj-12 was well

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it basically majestic-12 was a group

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established by President coolin in

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September 1947 in response to the

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recovery of the Roswell wreckage and

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bodies and there had to be consideration

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about where do we go from here and

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obviously they didn't know what were the

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intentions of the aliens where they come

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from what do they want and especially

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what can we learn from the wreckage we

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have that we don't want anybody else to

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learn because these guys could fly

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circles around

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you know Roswell the big newspaper

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headline was July eighth nineteen

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forty-seven Kenneth Arnold citing the

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Pacific Northwest we saw nine objects

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moving as a saucer would have be skipped

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it across the water that was generally

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forth two weeks earlier so there were

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about a thousand sightings in between

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there when we come back and check but

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wasn't again was the kenneth arnold

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signing it was made public at that time

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wasn't it oh yeah i was made public and

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so I guess they probably thought oh gosh

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this is getting out of hand we've got to

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start squelching squelching this stuff

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well well just when you find bodies in

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wreckage suddenly you're not confronted

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with a high-performance aircraft your

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concern I'm fronted with a civilization

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what stick a key things that i was

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getting it was at arnold time the flight

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of these object from in front of

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mountain a two in front of mountain be

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he was flying yeah you know a good clear

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day looking around he was looking for a

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downed aircraft there's a reward if you

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found the aircraft and he timed these

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objects flight is very curious uh what's

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going on here because the speed record

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at that time was under 700 miles an hour

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we hadn't gone supersonic get even I and

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yet when he timed with the double

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o'clock on the dashboard so to speak and

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they were going about 1,500 miles an

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hour so suddenly hey what the heck is

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going on here and his thought was that

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they were secret America government

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vehicles so line of them you don't

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usually if you're developing a new

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aircraft you test one or two you don't

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test my and so that was only two weeks

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earlier than Roswell and there were

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airline pilot sightings and other stuff

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all in that intermediate two weeks so

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when you get a rancher coming in with

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crazy wreckage to the sheriff's office

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in Roswell uh you want to know they call

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a base and major Jesse Marcel on checks

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out the sheriff's office and looks at

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this crazy wreckage and Commander

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Blanchard

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base commander sends Jesse out with

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interestingly enough he was intelligence

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officer but he was sent out with a

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counterintelligence Corps guy shirred

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Cabot because Colonel Blanchard was

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concerned about maybe there's some spies

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involved here after all this was the

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only base in the world that had nuclear

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weapons on it I you want to be careful

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you know and we knew uh it turns out

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that the Russians had spies at Los

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Alamos on the nuclear weapons program

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some people forget that two people were

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given the death penalty the Rosenbergs

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for being spies for the Soviet Union at

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Los all right fo Rosenberg many people

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aren't aware you mean we executed a

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woman you darn right we did whoa you

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know so there was great concern and you

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certainly couldn't go public with when

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you don't have answers to the key

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questions what do they want where are

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they from are they working with anybody

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here you know those are rather important

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questions two years after Pearl Harbor

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when half the world was starving the

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Marshall Plan hoping the feed Europe was

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just beginning at the same time this

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happened so you know it wasn't a world

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in which everybody was happy well the

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war is over now we can live happily ever

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after most people were starving I

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because you know people forget how

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terrible well and could probably weren't

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alive but they forget how terrible world

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war two was and look at it from an alien

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viewpoint we Earthlings killed 50

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million of our own kind we destroyed

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1700 city and people may not be aware

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but after the war and in Hiroshima and

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Nagasaki to atomic bombs we exploded we

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Earthlings exploded two thousand nuclear

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weapons fortunately no more on people

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but from an outsider's view point mystic

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primitive society whose major activity

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is tribal warfare maybe they're coming

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down punish us

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who knows what that love oh boy on that

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note we need to go to that break right

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now you just ponder that people for a

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moment and we'll be right back with

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Stanton Friedman hi there welcome back

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you're listening to night vision radio

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if you're just joining us we're talking

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with nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman

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we've been talking about one of his

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great areas of research the Roswell

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event back in 1947 and he's sharing some

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stories with us the details about that

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event and the last thing you said was

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you know maybe someone was a little bit

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00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:14,090
angry with us and maybe might want to

544
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:17,090
attack us so I'll let you carry on and

545
00:26:24,790 --> 00:26:22,640
hopefully we aren't under attack well I

546
00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:24,800
hope not I they're kind of slow about it

547
00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:28,070
if they are there are many indications

548
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,560
that they are concerned about our

549
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,480
activities not only all the surveillance

550
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:35,120
were military and nuclear installations

551
00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:40,000
but things like turning off missiles on

552
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:43,040
mounts from Air Force Base way back in

553
00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:48,460
the 60s UFO shows up at the base and the

554
00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:51,700
captain up there was based security

555
00:26:57,730 --> 00:26:54,950
radios down to the or telephones down

556
00:26:59,770 --> 00:26:57,740
really to the bottom of the pit you know

557
00:27:03,220 --> 00:26:59,780
where the missiles her I'm ready to go

558
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:03,230
and tell them about the saucer and guy

559
00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:05,170
didn't take it too seriously down there

560
00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:07,430
and then he calls back in two minutes

561
00:27:12,730 --> 00:27:10,160
and now he's very upset it's right over

562
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:12,740
the front gate and then suddenly seven

563
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:15,050
missiles Minuteman missiles with nuclear

564
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:19,460
warheads on them poised to retaliate in

565
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:21,650
the case of launch from the Soviet Union

566
00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:25,310
go offline 1m the other now

567
00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:28,580
theoretically that cannot happen but it

568
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:31,880
did and there was great consternation

569
00:27:36,190 --> 00:27:34,370
and it's happened in several other

570
00:27:37,780 --> 00:27:36,200
places in the United States and also in

571
00:27:40,030 --> 00:27:37,790
the Soviet Union except in the Soviet

572
00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:40,040
Union went the other way suddenly a

573
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,740
bunch of missiles were turned on

574
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:45,440
and the guy in charge how to think

575
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:47,450
clearly enough to I don't know what's

576
00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:49,490
going on here but better at these darn

577
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:52,790
things off you know so and there's the

578
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:54,410
famous case on the west coast were a

579
00:28:00,970 --> 00:27:56,710
missile launch down the coast from

580
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:00,980
Vandenberg Air Force Base down I had a

581
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:03,860
simulated warhead in and of course and

582
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:05,690
along comes the there's a guy

583
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,220
photographing this with new equipment

584
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:11,600
it's not so easy to catch a missile

585
00:28:19,270 --> 00:28:16,850
going downrange high speed and the UFO

586
00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:19,280
flies around the thing and send some

587
00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:23,080
beams of light added and dislodges the

588
00:28:28,419 --> 00:28:27,260
simulated warhead and the guy didn't

589
00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:28,429
know he was photographing this he

590
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:31,340
couldn't see it and then the next day

591
00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:34,070
when the film was being watched by his

592
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:37,400
boss he comes over to him as it what

593
00:28:41,890 --> 00:28:40,160
were you filming yesterday and shows it

594
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:41,900
to him and that's when he realizes that

595
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:45,679
this thing had come along and going as

596
00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:48,380
fast as the missile obviously and was

597
00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:50,270
able to dislodge something that was on

598
00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:53,960
the missile nose cone and that's kind of

599
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:55,460
scary stuff if you're a military

600
00:29:03,010 --> 00:28:58,730
commander right and there are a number

601
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,020
of cases were well orders were given

602
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,320
back in 1952 which was the busiest year

603
00:29:12,010 --> 00:29:09,200
in the old Project Blue Book history to

604
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:12,020
shoot them down if they don't land when

605
00:29:16,299 --> 00:29:14,030
instructed to do so now you can argue

606
00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:16,309
how do you know an alien to get is the

607
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:18,260
Prince losser down on the ground but

608
00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:21,890
whatever it is I have had seven

609
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:23,900
different instances in which people

610
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,200
after my lectures have quietly come up

611
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:28,880
to me and told me about being in a

612
00:29:36,669 --> 00:29:32,780
military base where airplanes were

613
00:29:39,610 --> 00:29:36,679
scrambled a plane was scrambled set up

614
00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:39,620
to chase a UFO and never came back and

615
00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:41,929
if I've heard seven cases obviously

616
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:44,120
there are a lot more than that that out

617
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,510
there okay you're saying that planes

618
00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:50,720
were scrambled to go and and find out

619
00:29:56,110 --> 00:29:52,460
what this was or chase it away or

620
00:29:59,020 --> 00:29:56,120
whatever market is down and the plane

621
00:30:02,320 --> 00:29:59,030
disappeared yes disintegrated and

622
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:02,330
disappeared were the terms used in

623
00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:04,060
several articles the New York Times

624
00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:08,540
between 51 and 56 described how there

625
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:12,560
were 200 fatal military plane crashes in

626
00:30:17,170 --> 00:30:15,110
the United States and words like

627
00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:17,180
disintegrated and disappeared kind of

628
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:21,140
strong words and five of the pilots had

629
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:25,310
a hundred missions or more in Korea

630
00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:27,470
which what they were good pilots because

631
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:28,580
they were MiG's trying to shoot them

632
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,410
down and you don't survive 100 missions

633
00:30:34,930 --> 00:30:32,480
unless you know what you're doing they

634
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:34,940
come back the United States no bigs they

635
00:30:42,130 --> 00:30:39,400
have a fatal military crash hmm and so I

636
00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:42,140
there was consternation there was never

637
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:44,360
any signs that these were intentionally

638
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:47,810
offensive attacks because I've talked

639
00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:50,930
directly to some people a fascinating

640
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:52,790
story one of the guys I talked to had

641
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:55,150
been in a Navy base in South Carolina

642
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:56,900
scrambled you know you're sitting around

643
00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:58,970
waiting with nothing to do airplanes on

644
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:01,700
the runway ready to go and a radio call

645
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,430
comes in and there's an unknown bogeys

646
00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:06,080
at nine o'clock you know you've heard it

647
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:08,870
on the air on and so they scramble this

648
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:11,030
guy and it goes up and he's talking to

649
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:14,360
the radio operator on the ground and he

650
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:16,730
gets up about 20,000 feet and he says

651
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:18,980
okay where is he well he's coming up to

652
00:31:25,690 --> 00:31:22,880
you buddy and he looks up and ahead of

653
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:25,700
them there's his bright light coming

654
00:31:31,150 --> 00:31:27,770
right at him it's so bright that he puts

655
00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:31,160
his hand up and you can see the bones in

656
00:31:35,470 --> 00:31:33,080
his hand which is kind of a scary

657
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:35,480
thought when you think about it and so

658
00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:38,570
he figures I'm being attacked here what

659
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:40,790
am I supposed to do well you pull the

660
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:42,670
trigger on the guns that's what you do

661
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:46,040
uh unfortunately that turns out the guns

662
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:47,750
hadn't been loaded if you can believe

663
00:31:53,770 --> 00:31:51,290
that and so he's talking on the radio to

664
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:53,780
the ground and you know it describes

665
00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:56,330
this happen come take very long and then

666
00:32:01,960 --> 00:31:58,760
he the UFO is gone they're watching on

667
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:01,970
radar down there the UFO is gone and he

668
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:05,600
lands and he gets interrogated by two

669
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,570
guys in uniform and two guys in suits

670
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,360
and details he didn't know with who

671
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:13,279
these suits were where they were from

672
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:16,460
they reported to I believe mj-12 of

673
00:32:22,049 --> 00:32:19,190
course but when we talked about it and

674
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:22,059
this is umpteen years later of course uh

675
00:32:27,879 --> 00:32:24,620
we agreed that he probably wouldn't be

676
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,889
alive if his guns had been loaded uh he

677
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:29,840
was a lawyer incidentally you know to

678
00:32:35,529 --> 00:32:31,250
some people I mean you can't believe

679
00:32:37,889 --> 00:32:35,539
anything but you know what I'm saying

680
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:37,899
that the some respectable individual

681
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,870
officer of the court absolutely wasn't

682
00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:44,000
he wasn't looking for attention or

683
00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:47,860
publicity and I just got a report on

684
00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:52,340
well two weeks ago a navy guy on a ship

685
00:32:57,129 --> 00:32:54,980
in the Pacific we're a bunch of knights

686
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:57,139
on the deck of the ship and they picked

687
00:33:02,139 --> 00:32:59,210
the radar guy reports I mean they're out

688
00:33:05,619 --> 00:33:02,149
there you know monitoring the skies is

689
00:33:07,930 --> 00:33:05,629
in the middle of Pacific all right and

690
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:07,940
so they watch something coming in on the

691
00:33:13,899 --> 00:33:11,120
radar and it goes you know just past the

692
00:33:18,669 --> 00:33:13,909
ship and they raid our guy time did I

693
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:18,679
checked its velocity as 3500 miles an

694
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:23,679
hour it's back in the 60s and they

695
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:26,090
visually looked at it and timed it from

696
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:28,100
that point to that point and they come

697
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:30,710
up with over 3,000 miles an hour to and

698
00:33:36,249 --> 00:33:33,830
a report was made they never heard

699
00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:36,259
anything more about it at all one-way

700
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:38,990
street information in that's the end of

701
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:41,570
that now this makes sense that is

702
00:33:48,730 --> 00:33:43,940
something on there was an Air Force

703
00:33:50,889 --> 00:33:48,740
general named Bohlander Carol Bohlander

704
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:50,899
he was an engineer worked on the lunar

705
00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:53,720
excursion module and we landed on the

706
00:34:01,240 --> 00:33:59,240
moon in 1969 and on july and earlier

707
00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:01,250
that year the condom report the

708
00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:02,870
university of colorado study had

709
00:34:06,909 --> 00:34:04,700
recommended that project Bluebook

710
00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:06,919
ostensibly the only air force group

711
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:10,190
concerned with UFOs for many years up to

712
00:34:15,129 --> 00:34:12,889
that time be closed because it wasn't

713
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,139
producing information worthwhile from an

714
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:17,839
intelligence or technology viewpoint and

715
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:21,169
so they asked the airport's ask general

716
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,280
Bohlander now

717
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:25,040
the landed on the moon and his he wasn't

718
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:28,250
working 12-hour days anymore as I when I

719
00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:31,310
doctor let me mention that anyway he was

720
00:34:35,409 --> 00:34:33,620
asked with a totally clean slate in

721
00:34:37,899 --> 00:34:35,419
other words he had no had not worked

722
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:37,909
with project to look at all what should

723
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:39,530
we do should we close it what should we

724
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:41,750
do about blue book he wrote a memo which

725
00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:44,179
we didn't see until 10 years later was

726
00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:46,460
released under Freedom of Information I

727
00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:50,150
think by mistake but anyway in in the

728
00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:53,150
memo he said this resulted in the

729
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:54,740
closure of Project Blue Book at the end

730
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,520
of 69 in the memo says a moreover

731
00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:00,800
reports of ufos which could affect

732
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:03,800
national security are made in accordance

733
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:07,660
with jnet joint army navy air force

734
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:12,230
publication 146 or airforce manual 55

735
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:17,450
dash 11 and are not part of the blue

736
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:20,180
book system that's an astonishing

737
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:22,310
statement we've been told many years

738
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:25,250
before that many all your sins Blue Book

739
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:26,990
was the Air Force group concern with us

740
00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:29,320
the only group in two paragraphs later

741
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:32,120
he said if we close Project Blue Book

742
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:34,700
the public won't have a place to report

743
00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:37,790
UFO sightings however as previously

744
00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:39,860
noted reports which could affect

745
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:43,460
national security will continue to be

746
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:45,410
investigated using the procedures

747
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:47,810
designed for that purpose the Air

748
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:50,330
Force's said one global repose I said we

749
00:35:54,850 --> 00:35:52,910
haven't done anything more well I was so

750
00:35:57,820 --> 00:35:54,860
curious when I saw this ten years later

751
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,830
I decided I wanted to find one general

752
00:36:02,830 --> 00:36:00,560
Bohlander and I did I like looking for

753
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:02,840
people with unusual names you know don't

754
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:05,960
ask me to find John Smith and not going

755
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:07,910
to manage it and I talked to him by

756
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:11,030
fault he's dead now so you can't

757
00:36:15,490 --> 00:36:13,430
interview him for the program well at

758
00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:15,500
least I content maybe there are people

759
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:19,700
who can reach out that way anyway I gave

760
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:21,470
him a little background you know I was a

761
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,210
scientist I'd worked under security for

762
00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:25,520
14 years and strong interest in UFOs was

763
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:27,590
very intrigued with his memo I said it

764
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:29,390
seems to me like you're saying that

765
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:31,400
there were two separate channels for

766
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:34,490
communications about UFOs one will

767
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:35,930
reports that could affect me

768
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:37,880
security and I just heard when I told

769
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:40,070
them about a saucer going down the

770
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,140
runway at a strategic air command base

771
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:43,760
where nuclear weapons are stored by

772
00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:45,950
definition that's a national security

773
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:47,750
problem not supposed to be anybody there

774
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:51,290
and the other fer if my wife and I go

775
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:53,180
outside and that's standing at the end

776
00:36:59,650 --> 00:36:56,330
of the driveway and UFO flies over big

777
00:37:01,720 --> 00:36:59,660
deal happens all the time he agreed with

778
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:01,730
me two separate channels of

779
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:06,170
communication now many remarkable now

780
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:08,810
the question of course is so where did

781
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:12,020
those reports go and this is where

782
00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:15,490
majestic-12 fills the bill very neatly

783
00:37:20,890 --> 00:37:17,660
how to be a place with high-level

784
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:20,900
security and think of it as a Western

785
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:23,330
wagon wheel without the rim you got all

786
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:24,890
these spokes going to the hub you know

787
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:28,010
and so the information goes to the hub

788
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:32,210
but it doesn't go around in other words

789
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:36,230
everything is compartmentalized and it's

790
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:38,780
pretty obvious that you need certain

791
00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:42,230
kinds of follow-up on UFO sightings for

792
00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:44,300
example if you got wreckage it's got to

793
00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:46,670
be analyzed in a classified lab by

794
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,380
people with my level clearances and

795
00:37:52,930 --> 00:37:50,480
great competence we have a number of

796
00:37:57,070 --> 00:37:52,940
those nuclear weapons labs national labs

797
00:38:01,960 --> 00:37:57,080
etc secondly you have to have people who

798
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,970
analyze instrumentation data now the

799
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:04,160
public doesn't know many I mean I don't

800
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:05,990
own the radar I don't think either of

801
00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:09,350
you do I you know we don't have our own

802
00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:10,940
radars that those are government-owned

803
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:13,670
facilities there was an instrumentation

804
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:17,870
onboard aircraft which chases Russian

805
00:38:22,830 --> 00:38:19,940
aircraft we want to not only take

806
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:22,840
pictures but electronic signatures

807
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:24,710
electromagnetic signatures you make

808
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:27,170
measurements somebody's got to handle

809
00:38:33,970 --> 00:38:31,850
that data and so I there's a need for an

810
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:33,980
mj-12 and if there wasn't going to have

811
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:37,130
to invent one but I think it fits right

812
00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:41,090
in with general Boulder and you know

813
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:43,220
it's kind of amazing that the press

814
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:45,290
still hasn't picked up on the bowling of

815
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,910
memo

816
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:48,400
I've talked about it a lot of places and

817
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:50,410
well the New York Times and The

818
00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:52,390
Washington Post neither one carried that

819
00:38:58,289 --> 00:38:56,230
story in 1952 about shoot them down if

820
00:39:01,529 --> 00:38:58,299
they don't land when instructed to do so

821
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:01,539
even a number of papers but not those

822
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:06,450
two the big guy yeah and you wonder why

823
00:39:11,609 --> 00:39:09,640
now President Kennedy wished that the

824
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:11,619
New York Times which had the story that

825
00:39:16,529 --> 00:39:13,859
we were going to the Bay of Pigs thing

826
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:16,539
they wish they had run it so they would

827
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:20,380
have done that but save them some

828
00:39:27,809 --> 00:39:22,859
embarrassment but so you wonder is

829
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:27,819
somebody controlling the press I a lot

830
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:29,230
of people realize you know that there

831
00:39:38,099 --> 00:39:33,849
was a an office of censorship set up

832
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:38,109
within two weeks of pearl harbor on the

833
00:39:41,819 --> 00:39:40,089
press couldn't cover certain subjects

834
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:41,829
couldn't use certain the word uranium

835
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:45,520
for example was prohibited it couldn't

836
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:48,430
use it in a story I you couldn't talk

837
00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:50,049
about the Japanese few gold balloons

838
00:39:55,950 --> 00:39:54,369
which were carrying bonds I've landed in

839
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:55,960
the United States didn't do much damage

840
00:40:01,769 --> 00:39:58,450
we didn't want them to know how much

841
00:40:04,769 --> 00:40:01,779
damage they did or didn't do uh you know

842
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:04,779
so one wonders how much censorship there

843
00:40:10,109 --> 00:40:08,020
has been since and especially I hope

844
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,119
people remember the Church Committee and

845
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:13,200
congressional committee in the early 70s

846
00:40:18,359 --> 00:40:16,390
which was investigating reports that

847
00:40:21,329 --> 00:40:18,369
maybe there were some journalists that

848
00:40:23,819 --> 00:40:21,339
actually worked for the CIA can you

849
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:23,829
imagine well it turns out there were

850
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:28,480
over 300 journalists especially those

851
00:40:36,029 --> 00:40:31,690
working overseas who were actually

852
00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:36,039
reporting to the CIA and I'm someone on

853
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:37,660
the payroll and that's with full

854
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:40,180
cooperation from Life magazine you know

855
00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:44,049
and other publications so if the

856
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:47,589
government had spies working for them if

857
00:40:54,299 --> 00:40:52,089
you will I it wouldn't be surprising if

858
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:54,309
information about UFOs was being

859
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:57,930
channeled outside normal channels if

860
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:00,660
will so you know I'm not talking

861
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:03,000
conspiracy theory here I'm talking about

862
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:06,839
the real world in which we live I you

863
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:08,339
know and for people who wonder about

864
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:14,690
such things I the NSA Snowden's outfit I

865
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:17,490
we went after them in quite a law under

866
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:19,410
Freedom of Information and eventually

867
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:23,250
they agreed they had 156 UFO documents

868
00:41:28,430 --> 00:41:24,930
but they were classified could not be

869
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:28,440
released so follow up legal action was

870
00:41:37,099 --> 00:41:32,250
taken and they finally released the text

871
00:41:40,099 --> 00:41:37,109
of these 156 top secret umbra UFO

872
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:40,109
documents Wow there was a little problem

873
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:42,770
you could read one sentence per page

874
00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:46,770
everything else was whited out believe

875
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:50,670
it or not and the CIA took us years to

876
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:55,020
get their top secret material and it was

877
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,030
all blacked out except a few words per

878
00:42:02,780 --> 00:42:00,900
page I and people say oh there's no

879
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:02,790
cover up Stan well tell me what's under

880
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:04,980
the whiteout only what's under the black

881
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:08,130
ink and as matt fraction can't because

882
00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:10,970
they use to black out the documents

883
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,230
eventually dissolved what was underneath

884
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:15,599
and I'm sorry we don't have any original

885
00:42:23,809 --> 00:42:20,609
saying you know a pretty damn stupid if

886
00:42:27,319 --> 00:42:23,819
you want an honest opinion but anybody

887
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:27,329
who says there's no cover-up has to say

888
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:28,680
well except for all that data that

889
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:33,030
they're not releasing you know minor

890
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:36,960
detail and I just got something uh two

891
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:40,970
weeks ago I had received a very

892
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:45,900
interesting report from a navy guy and I

893
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:48,270
decided you know I had talked to a naval

894
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:51,450
historian back at least ten years ago

895
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,930
and wanted their UFO information and he

896
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,599
says we don't have any well i sent him a

897
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,880
report that have been prepared by Air

898
00:43:04,099 --> 00:43:01,619
Force intelligence and Office of Naval

899
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:04,109
Intelligence thank you for the

900
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,089
interesting reporting said but as I told

901
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,920
you we don't have any information about

902
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,200
UFOs well okay if

903
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:14,400
getting this good navy report I filed a

904
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,990
Freedom of Information Act requests for

905
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:19,359
information i'm quoting now concerning

906
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,970
unidentified flying objects unidentified

907
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:24,480
aerial phenomena flying saucers

908
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:27,970
unidentified submerged objects just for

909
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:31,599
the period 2005 to the present okay i

910
00:43:37,319 --> 00:43:34,030
get a response back the Office of Naval

911
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:37,329
Intelligence oh and I is the oldest of

912
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:42,940
the intelligence agencies 1882 i jus and

913
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:45,250
the ocean is pretty large you know we

914
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:47,050
they had a lot of ground to cover a lot

915
00:43:53,819 --> 00:43:50,500
of water to cover they confirmed that oh

916
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:53,829
and I has 00 the Office of Naval

917
00:43:58,980 --> 00:43:55,720
Intelligence coordinated your request

918
00:44:04,069 --> 00:43:58,990
with the Nimitz operational intelligence

919
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:04,079
center oh I see operational intelligence

920
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,990
they confirmed oh and I has no records

921
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:10,560
related to unidentified flying objects

922
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:12,940
they don't say anything about flying

923
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:15,190
saucers and identified aerial phenomena

924
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:17,650
unidentified submerged objects so I'm

925
00:44:26,849 --> 00:44:21,550
going to file an appeal but you can

926
00:44:29,609 --> 00:44:26,859
appeal it says um no now think about it

927
00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:29,619
for a minute if you look up the Navy and

928
00:44:33,870 --> 00:44:31,660
non Wikipedia or wherever you want to

929
00:44:36,359 --> 00:44:33,880
look it up it's a huge organization with

930
00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:36,369
you know loads of ships loads of planes

931
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:38,980
bases all over the place monitoring

932
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:40,750
three quarters of the planet that is the

933
00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:43,050
part that's covered with oceans and

934
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:47,380
they're trying to say that we don't have

935
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:48,760
any wreckage related to unidentified

936
00:44:53,819 --> 00:44:51,910
flying objects and talk about those

937
00:44:56,099 --> 00:44:53,829
other things but you know that's absurd

938
00:45:00,960 --> 00:44:56,109
on its face i have talked to dozens of

939
00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:00,970
former naval people and ships um you

940
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:05,589
know it's a closed system so it can be a

941
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:07,420
dozen guys on the deck of the ship when

942
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:10,690
something goes over right so they're

943
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:15,310
either they're lying flat out or the

944
00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:19,810
records go someplace else like operation

945
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:22,070
majestic 12

946
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:25,530
because the of the original 12 there

947
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:27,480
were bunch of Navy guys Air Force guys

948
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:30,930
army guys and scientists but there were

949
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:34,110
Navy Admirals on that committee so I'm

950
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:37,590
suggesting that we need a Woodward and

951
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:39,210
Bernstein I don't know where to find

952
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:43,619
them but you know way more great yeah

953
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,780
well I think it wouldn't take more than

954
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:47,640
six months to establish that there was a

955
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:52,860
massive cover-up I and obviously well

956
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:55,800
obviously that the press coverage has

957
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,119
been lousy uninformed one of the dozen

958
00:46:04,850 --> 00:46:02,460
or so PhD theses and people look at me

959
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:04,860
what do you mean PhD theses it was more

960
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:07,770
than a dozen about UFOs one of them was

961
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:09,930
about press coverage of the subject by

962
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:12,030
dr. Hurwitz Trent's went on to be a Dean

963
00:46:17,780 --> 00:46:14,610
of the School of Journalism not at Drake

964
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,790
University got his degree his thesis was

965
00:46:22,070 --> 00:46:19,380
done at Northwestern University when

966
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:22,080
Allen Hynek was there and would you

967
00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:24,750
believe he read 10,000 clippings about

968
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:28,700
UFOs that would drive me up the wall Wow

969
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:31,859
and he had some very strong comments to

970
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,470
make about the inadequacy the failure to

971
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:36,720
deal with the proper sources to take

972
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:40,560
action and so forth so we're stuck at a

973
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:43,859
crazy situation there's ample data but

974
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:46,950
for some reason they've created a

975
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:50,220
laughter curtain which keeps people from

976
00:46:57,590 --> 00:46:54,330
reporting their sightings uh and keeps

977
00:47:00,590 --> 00:46:57,600
journalists from digging into them yeah

978
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:00,600
if you wanted to get reports I tried

979
00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:02,730
this once on a radio station Seattle my

980
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:04,500
phone now almost say well are any

981
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:07,230
sightings around I said look if you ask

982
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,260
for people to call you in call in to you

983
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:12,420
with their sightings I'll bet you'd get

984
00:47:16,820 --> 00:47:14,220
loads of I don't think so there weren't

985
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:16,830
any sightings going on a new fund had

986
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:18,930
what over a thousand reports last month

987
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:23,609
incident on and so she said well okay

988
00:47:27,590 --> 00:47:25,859
I'll try so we went to a commercial and

989
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:27,600
she asked anybody to call and the rest

990
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:29,460
of the program was people calling them

991
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:32,520
with great sightings why and she was

992
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:33,780
astonished

993
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:35,820
and I get people saying what haven't

994
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:37,310
heard anything about saucers and munch

995
00:47:43,610 --> 00:47:41,520
sometimes I've heard years well if you

996
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,620
get seven hundred to a thousand reports

997
00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:45,540
a month there's plenty going on because

998
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:47,190
most people don't report your sightings

999
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:50,760
that's right and so you know it's

1000
00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:52,830
frustrating on the one hand when i check

1001
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,840
my audiences ten percent of seen one

1002
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,180
when i asked how many reported ninety

1003
00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:00,240
percent of hands go down Oh fear of

1004
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,600
ridicule is the problem and I'm hoping

1005
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:05,280
we're heading into no direction but of

1006
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:06,690
course it isn't helped by the city

1007
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,740
people uh because after all they're out

1008
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:13,380
of a job if aliens are visiting here why

1009
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:14,460
are you going to listen for radio

1010
00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:16,140
signals and characteristics you don't

1011
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:20,820
know you know are they using am or FM

1012
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:25,920
what can I say but if aliens are coming

1013
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:27,450
here then maybe need to learn sign

1014
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:29,550
language no instead of listening with

1015
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:32,790
their radio telescope mm-hmm and if you

1016
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:35,490
look at their books it's amazing you

1017
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:38,610
just don't see any references to serious

1018
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:42,540
scientific studies you know the most of

1019
00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:44,430
them are astronomers they don't talk

1020
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:46,230
about Alan hynek's book he was all in

1021
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:48,060
the Air Force scientific consultant to

1022
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,850
Project Blue Book for 20 years and the

1023
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:52,380
head of the Astronomy Department

1024
00:48:59,020 --> 00:48:54,990
Northwestern University you'd think

1025
00:49:01,600 --> 00:48:59,030
they'd read his book on Peter Stark

1026
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:01,610
astrophysicist at Stanford University

1027
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:05,520
he's got a book out a good one which he

1028
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:08,700
surveyed astronomers and got sightings

1029
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:10,920
by astronomers besides lots of other

1030
00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:15,540
cases and so it's aggravating that

1031
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:18,230
people who claim to be scientists

1032
00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:21,720
behaves so unscientifically about ufos

1033
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:24,950
they want a body you know give my body

1034
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:27,330
why would anybody give them a body if

1035
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:31,260
they had was you know who are they we're

1036
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,520
talking national security here why

1037
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,800
certainly because of the technology

1038
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:38,940
wouldn't every country on the planet

1039
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:42,390
love to build his own flying saucer make

1040
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:44,010
wonderful weapons delivery and defense

1041
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:46,440
systems we spent ten billion dollars on

1042
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:47,460
developing the scope

1043
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:51,540
aircraft and we used it uh you know it's

1044
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,300
not a trivial matter and many people

1045
00:49:59,060 --> 00:49:57,060
have no understanding that there's one

1046
00:50:04,010 --> 00:49:59,070
heck of a lot of research that goes on

1047
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:04,020
outside academia they think he had two

1048
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:06,450
guys to pay separately that if Roswell

1049
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:08,220
really happened stand there have been an

1050
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:09,960
article in the physical review within

1051
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:13,970
three months what hundred nonsense no

1052
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:16,650
you know I agree with you there's a heck

1053
00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:19,560
of a lot of research going on by

1054
00:50:24,350 --> 00:50:22,080
individuals out there who are interested

1055
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,360
in just digging away and plugging away

1056
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:26,880
it doesn't mean because they don't have

1057
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:29,610
a lot of letters after their names that

1058
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:31,890
their evidence should be ignored I think

1059
00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:33,510
there's well it's not only those guys

1060
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:35,790
those are the independent guys and but

1061
00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:39,660
I'm talking about major organizations

1062
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:41,070
look when I was working on nuclear

1063
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:45,810
airplanes way back in the 50s 1958 a

1064
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:48,210
general electric aircraft nuclear

1065
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:51,660
propulsion department we spent 100

1066
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:54,030
million dollars that year there was a

1067
00:50:59,660 --> 00:50:57,450
lot of money then we employed 3,500

1068
00:51:02,540 --> 00:50:59,670
people 1100 of them were engineers and

1069
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:02,550
scientists it wasn't six professors and

1070
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:05,690
12 grad students for goodness sakes I

1071
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:10,040
the NRO National Reconnaissance Office

1072
00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:12,990
which builds satellite second spy

1073
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,150
satellites it costs a half a billion

1074
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:17,760
dollars each they had a contract with

1075
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,290
Boeing to uh improve the architecture of

1076
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:24,240
the satellites more bang for the pound

1077
00:51:28,850 --> 00:51:26,370
if you will and less energy and all that

1078
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:28,860
sort of thing after they spent 13

1079
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:32,670
billion dollars they decided they

1080
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:34,200
weren't getting what they wanted so they

1081
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:37,590
cancelled the program there durgin OB

1082
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:40,280
eyes warned you hold it right there

1083
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:43,050
standing and continue with this right

1084
00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:46,290
after this break and then also if you're

1085
00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:49,230
game I'm going to give you some

1086
00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:51,190
questions from the chat room I

1087
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:54,550
miss missed a lot of them so people in

1088
00:51:57,569 --> 00:51:56,170
the chat room if you hear me asking

1089
00:51:59,940 --> 00:51:57,579
questions and I don't get to yours

1090
00:52:02,160 --> 00:51:59,950
please repost it because you guys have a

1091
00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:02,170
lot of questions tonight we're going to

1092
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:04,060
be right back with Stanton Friedman so

1093
00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:05,890
hang in there you're listening to night

1094
00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:07,960
vision radio I'm your host Renee Barnett

1095
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:10,900
my guest tonight is physicist Stanton

1096
00:52:17,730 --> 00:52:13,619
Friedman we're talking about all things

1097
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:17,740
UFO and now standing if it's okay i'm

1098
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:20,650
going to start posing some questions to

1099
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,730
you from our listeners in the chat room

1100
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:26,319
regarding what you were saying earlier

1101
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:29,920
about those us and russian nuclear

1102
00:52:36,569 --> 00:52:33,640
armaments being affected on bases were

1103
00:52:38,609 --> 00:52:36,579
you able to get any voya documentation

1104
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:38,619
on that or what were your sources on

1105
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:42,450
that that's from analog in the chat room

1106
00:52:48,809 --> 00:52:46,089
well there's a book by Robert Hastings

1107
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:48,819
about nukes and UFOs who goes into a lot

1108
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:52,960
of that but I also met with a Robert

1109
00:52:59,819 --> 00:52:57,250
Salas SI la s who was the commander at

1110
00:53:02,329 --> 00:52:59,829
that mounts from base where the missiles

1111
00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:02,339
went down from one after the other and

1112
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:04,780
he's written a book I wrote the foreword

1113
00:53:11,849 --> 00:53:08,190
for the book he did a splendid job and

1114
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:11,859
you know we pick good people to head

1115
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:14,050
missile facilities you can't have any

1116
00:53:18,329 --> 00:53:15,790
idiot sitting there with his finger on

1117
00:53:19,859 --> 00:53:18,339
the button climate site I was very

1118
00:53:21,180 --> 00:53:19,869
favorably impressed with mom and he had

1119
00:53:26,099 --> 00:53:21,190
an outstanding career in the Air Force

1120
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:26,109
and there are other witnesses and it

1121
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:28,930
happened more than once you know so

1122
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,430
we're not talking about an isolated

1123
00:53:35,579 --> 00:53:33,040
event with one observer there were other

1124
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,589
people there at that place there was an

1125
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:38,880
investigation Boeing was involved and

1126
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:41,950
somehow bob was allowed to talk many

1127
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:43,390
years later this has happened back in

1128
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:46,569
the 60s you understand and he's not a

1129
00:53:51,089 --> 00:53:48,609
young man anymore but then I'm not

1130
00:53:55,050 --> 00:53:51,099
either you know so we've got good

1131
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:55,060
sources on that uh now it's hard when as

1132
00:53:59,700 --> 00:53:56,770
soon as you start talking about nuclear

1133
00:54:02,460 --> 00:53:59,710
weapons and missiles you're in very

1134
00:54:04,529 --> 00:54:02,470
touchy territorial want to come home and

1135
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:04,539
I I don't blame them for being

1136
00:54:08,789 --> 00:54:06,249
careful about that because I wanting

1137
00:54:11,309 --> 00:54:08,799
about anything that would give somebody

1138
00:54:15,659 --> 00:54:11,319
else an idea hey maybe I could do that

1139
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:15,669
you know what water is on all those

1140
00:54:21,779 --> 00:54:19,599
nothing isn't that what happened or was

1141
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:21,789
alleged to have happen at their in the

1142
00:54:27,209 --> 00:54:25,089
rental rendlesham forest incident that

1143
00:54:29,339 --> 00:54:27,219
way we don't know that they stop the

1144
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:29,349
missiles from operating but there were

1145
00:54:32,849 --> 00:54:31,089
certainly nuclear weapons at the base

1146
00:54:36,209 --> 00:54:32,859
although that had not been publicly

1147
00:54:38,219 --> 00:54:36,219
acknowledged prior that's right uh and

1148
00:54:40,709 --> 00:54:38,229
keep little secret here is there and

1149
00:54:42,539 --> 00:54:40,719
I've talked to Colonel halt who was the

1150
00:54:45,329 --> 00:54:42,549
assistant base commander and there's no

1151
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:45,339
question that it was a major event there

1152
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:48,880
I not only people seeing things but as

1153
00:54:54,839 --> 00:54:51,849
the dart thing landed and then took off

1154
00:54:58,859 --> 00:54:54,849
and the increased radioactivity where it

1155
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:58,869
had landed and we were lucky that came

1156
00:55:03,479 --> 00:55:01,079
out because it was a giant American

1157
00:55:06,439 --> 00:55:03,489
British thing and somebody got a

1158
00:55:08,909 --> 00:55:06,449
document on our side of the pond and

1159
00:55:12,659 --> 00:55:08,919
followed up on it and now other guys

1160
00:55:14,909 --> 00:55:12,669
have talked I and yeah that's probably

1161
00:55:17,789 --> 00:55:14,919
the best case in England Nick Pope is

1162
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:17,799
written about it very Warren who was

1163
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:21,849
there has written about it uh Rendlesham

1164
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:25,089
forest yes it's the English Roswell but

1165
00:55:33,539 --> 00:55:27,369
of course there were no bodies sorry

1166
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:33,549
guys no rail wreckage right and let's

1167
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:37,119
say I forgot to write down the name of

1168
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:38,650
who asked this question so i do

1169
00:55:44,279 --> 00:55:41,890
apologize to whichever of my chat

1170
00:55:47,249 --> 00:55:44,289
roommates I've left out here but the

1171
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:47,259
question is in regards to Linda Moulton

1172
00:55:55,189 --> 00:55:50,799
Howes interview with an ex Air Force

1173
00:55:57,899 --> 00:55:55,199
pilot about an alleged alien base in

1174
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,909
Antarctica are you familiar with that

1175
00:56:05,219 --> 00:56:00,400
and no I haven't but there have been

1176
00:56:07,769 --> 00:56:05,229
rumors about alien bases Nazi bases all

1177
00:56:10,439 --> 00:56:07,779
kinds of bases at the center of the

1178
00:56:13,949 --> 00:56:10,449
earth going in at the poles Antarctica

1179
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:13,959
and I to put it simply there in my grey

1180
00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:17,390
basket maybe not enough data

1181
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:19,220
right those are pretty serious things

1182
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:21,020
and I don't have my own plane to go down

1183
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,890
and check out Antarctica sorry okay yeah

1184
00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:26,720
no you know it's funny it keeps coming

1185
00:56:31,420 --> 00:56:28,670
up lately Antarctica and then it did

1186
00:56:34,330 --> 00:56:31,430
remind me of that i had heard what you

1187
00:56:37,570 --> 00:56:34,340
just said that I've heard stories about

1188
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:37,580
both poles that's going in and coming

1189
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:41,810
out the other end and so forth but also

1190
00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:45,890
I know you from opined on the bob lazar

1191
00:56:53,830 --> 00:56:50,150
story and we are still a hot issue I

1192
00:56:55,930 --> 00:56:53,840
guess recently there's been a someone

1193
00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:55,940
that's come forward that claimed to have

1194
00:57:03,820 --> 00:56:59,330
worked with bob lazar uh well yeah I

1195
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:03,830
graduate yes I'd not well okay yesterday

1196
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:11,000
I talked with dr. Krank oh uh who has a

1197
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:14,390
PhD from MIT and as a consultant has his

1198
00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:17,810
own business in New Mexico and he was

1199
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:24,800
mentioned by George the fine journalist

1200
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:30,170
George Knapp from klas-tv and I talked

1201
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:33,920
to dr. Krank oh and they the impression

1202
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:35,930
had been given by some things that had

1203
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:39,970
been written that he verified Bob Lazar

1204
00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:43,730
well what that really meant when I

1205
00:57:49,660 --> 00:57:47,360
talked to him on was that he was a

1206
00:57:51,790 --> 00:57:49,670
consultant that Los Alamos from time to

1207
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:51,800
time and while he was there on occasion

1208
00:57:58,330 --> 00:57:55,850
he had noted Bob Lazar and he met him

1209
00:58:01,210 --> 00:57:58,340
and didn't have any close interaction or

1210
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:01,220
anything but you know and he he had a

1211
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:03,290
pocket protector and he looked like a

1212
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:06,170
scientist and sounded like one and he

1213
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:07,790
obviously had a clear answer he wouldn't

1214
00:58:12,910 --> 00:58:11,090
have been there but he I checked with

1215
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:12,920
him on this because people were saying

1216
00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:15,200
that well he verified that bob was home

1217
00:58:20,140 --> 00:58:18,080
the truth no he verified that he saw Bob

1218
00:58:23,350 --> 00:58:20,150
there and probably in a scientific

1219
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:23,360
capacity and Bob's name is in the Los

1220
00:58:30,330 --> 00:58:28,370
Alamos phone book sir but then he worked

1221
00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:30,340
at the Maison facility

1222
00:58:36,510 --> 00:58:33,820
his sharp guy bright guy and good

1223
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:36,520
technician he built the jet powered car

1224
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:40,420
and runs a scientific company united

1225
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:43,150
nuclear my name as a matter of fact but

1226
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:46,420
when I talked to dr. Krank oh yeah he

1227
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:48,130
knew that bobbin worked there and so

1228
00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:50,890
forth but he never verified that Bob had

1229
00:58:58,410 --> 00:58:56,230
any of the credentials and that has been

1230
00:59:02,460 --> 00:58:58,420
my problem from the start I was asked

1231
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:02,470
about Bob 25 years ago people were

1232
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:05,020
claiming he was claiming that he was a

1233
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:06,850
nuclear physicist with a master's degree

1234
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:09,160
in physics from MIT and another one

1235
00:59:14,610 --> 00:59:12,640
electronics from Caltech wow those are

1236
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:14,620
impressive credentials so people knowing

1237
00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:16,930
that I'm a nuclear physicist and a lot

1238
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:18,820
of older than Bob we're asking me about

1239
00:59:23,970 --> 00:59:21,730
him so I figured I better check so I did

1240
00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:23,980
several things and nobody else seems to

1241
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:25,660
have repeated them for some crazy reason

1242
00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:28,570
but I checked with MIT I talked to five

1243
00:59:34,020 --> 00:59:31,600
different people there I they never

1244
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:34,030
heard of them the physics department the

1245
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:36,850
Registrar's Office I talked to the legal

1246
00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:38,440
counsel no there was no way for the

1247
00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:40,300
government to wipe out records I talked

1248
00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:44,020
to the guy who kept the theses because

1249
00:59:49,470 --> 00:59:46,030
for a master's in physics at MIT you

1250
00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:49,480
need a thesis uh and I couldn't find any

1251
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:52,060
sign of him but I also checked with he

1252
00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:53,290
wasn't a member of the american physical

1253
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,300
society or the american nuclear society

1254
00:59:59,460 --> 00:59:58,240
I checked with Cal Tech had two

1255
01:00:02,070 --> 00:59:59,470
different people there and they never

1256
01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:02,080
heard of him but I went further George

1257
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:03,460
Knapp gave me the name of his high

1258
01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:04,990
school Bob's high school in New York

1259
01:00:12,420 --> 01:00:08,230
State and I called them and talk a woman

1260
01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:12,430
their dugout his files and I well what

1261
01:00:16,110 --> 01:00:14,230
she told me was that a he didn't

1262
01:00:19,710 --> 01:00:16,120
graduate with his class he graduated an

1263
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:19,720
August that raises some questions more

1264
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:21,850
importantly he only had one science

1265
01:00:26,820 --> 01:00:24,760
course chemistry even more importantly

1266
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:26,830
he wasn't in the top ten I asked her was

1267
01:00:33,810 --> 01:00:30,640
in tennis class no top 20 no she's

1268
01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:33,820
beginning to laugh a bit top 15 no top

1269
01:00:41,070 --> 01:00:38,080
100 no and she told me he was like to 66

1270
01:00:43,770 --> 01:00:41,080
out of 360 in his high school that's the

1271
01:00:47,070 --> 01:00:43,780
bottom third you cannot get

1272
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:47,080
into MIT if you're in the bottom third

1273
01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:48,850
of your high school class I don't care

1274
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:50,980
how smart your honor especially with

1275
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,810
just chemistry I know I was accepted to

1276
01:00:56,310 --> 01:00:54,640
MIT out of high school I was

1277
01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:56,320
valedictorian of my class I couldn't

1278
01:01:03,450 --> 01:00:58,690
afford to go it was nine hundred fifty

1279
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:03,460
bucks a year now is 35,000 but but I

1280
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:06,970
also checked he was at the Rachel Nevada

1281
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:09,730
the little ealing in a hotbed of UFO

1282
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:13,810
activity and good coffee and he was

1283
01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:15,640
there answering questions and somebody

1284
01:01:21,870 --> 01:01:18,940
asked to name any of his professors

1285
01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:21,880
that's legitimate question mit Caltech

1286
01:01:28,590 --> 01:01:25,660
any we're talking top drawer and he said

1287
01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:28,600
well let me see William dr. he'll

1288
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:32,560
remember me from Caltech well I went the

1289
01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:35,050
I heard a tape of this I didn't hear the

1290
01:01:38,940 --> 01:01:37,180
program I went to my directing the

1291
01:01:42,990 --> 01:01:38,950
american physical society is only one

1292
01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:43,000
William ducts or I called him and he

1293
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:44,830
never taught it counts i can only taught

1294
01:01:49,770 --> 01:01:48,010
it Pierce junior college he was angry

1295
01:01:52,650 --> 01:01:49,780
that somebody was using his name so he

1296
01:01:55,890 --> 01:01:52,660
checked and it turns out when I called

1297
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:55,900
him back he had checked and uh he had

1298
01:02:00,360 --> 01:01:58,330
bombed in a night school course at

1299
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:00,370
Pierce junior college at the very same

1300
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:04,150
time when he was supposedly at MIT 2,500

1301
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,250
miles away so that claim was nonsense

1302
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:11,200
but furthermore he claimed that Los

1303
01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:15,490
Alamos had 500 pounds plus of element 1

1304
01:02:22,830 --> 01:02:20,680
15 mins element 115 now Bob didn't

1305
01:02:26,370 --> 01:02:22,840
invent it discover it establish its

1306
01:02:28,850 --> 01:02:26,380
reality physicist at an accelerator ran

1307
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:28,860
accelerator for a couple of weeks and

1308
01:02:35,010 --> 01:02:32,950
made four atoms of the stuff and that's

1309
01:02:37,230 --> 01:02:35,020
good for physics says it can't do

1310
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:37,240
anything with it and it has a very short

1311
01:02:42,660 --> 01:02:39,730
half-life all the trans uranium that is

1312
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:42,670
elements with atomic numbers higher than

1313
01:02:49,860 --> 01:02:46,630
that of uranium 92 are radioactive the

1314
01:02:52,530 --> 01:02:49,870
half-lives very but 115 as a half life

1315
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:52,540
under two minutes that means there is no

1316
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:56,410
possible way you could collect 500

1317
01:03:01,300 --> 01:02:56,960
pounds of

1318
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:01,310
stuff and God you know so i guess it

1319
01:03:06,089 --> 01:03:03,710
like the big deal at your time at the

1320
01:03:11,470 --> 01:03:06,099
big deal at the time i guess was that

1321
01:03:13,810 --> 01:03:11,480
element 115 was not yet on the charts

1322
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:13,820
and i think it was up to about element 1

1323
01:03:18,609 --> 01:03:16,070
11 or something at that time well it was

1324
01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:18,619
expecting to be found expected to be

1325
01:03:23,859 --> 01:03:21,710
found but you needed a big accelerator

1326
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:23,869
run at high power for a long period of

1327
01:03:30,550 --> 01:03:27,190
time that's not easy it's not cheap and

1328
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:30,560
so Bob didn't invent it discover it and

1329
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:33,130
it had been written about an article in

1330
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:35,780
Scientific American yours before Bob

1331
01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:38,930
said anything about 115 you know it's

1332
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:41,270
it's a science fiction approach to the

1333
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:44,240
problem hey maybe we've got a mysterious

1334
01:03:50,589 --> 01:03:47,810
element here mm-hmm and stuff like that

1335
01:03:54,099 --> 01:03:50,599
but you know that my bob is a bright guy

1336
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:54,109
uh and he did work at Los Alamos were

1337
01:03:59,560 --> 01:03:56,480
short verdict time yes Lily was out at

1338
01:04:02,820 --> 01:03:59,570
area 51 and we have to give him credit

1339
01:04:05,620 --> 01:04:02,830
for making area 51 a household word

1340
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:05,630
remember it was established for the

1341
01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:09,680
development of the you two aircraft they

1342
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:11,720
needed a place away from people where

1343
01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:13,849
they could test the new airplane a spy

1344
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:16,430
plane and for a whole bunch of other spy

1345
01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:19,010
planes now the most outstanding thing

1346
01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:21,230
about his claims was that he told people

1347
01:04:27,099 --> 01:04:23,980
long three successive Wednesday nights

1348
01:04:29,890 --> 01:04:27,109
that there'd be something flying at a

1349
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:29,900
certain time it's let's say 830 and they

1350
01:04:35,050 --> 01:04:32,089
went out and I saw it what who knows

1351
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:35,060
what it was so austere the notion that

1352
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,210
he was back engineering flying saucers a

1353
01:04:43,329 --> 01:04:40,640
scoutship for so forth as no

1354
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:43,339
substantiation behind it and I have

1355
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:45,410
trouble believing anything said by a guy

1356
01:04:53,530 --> 01:04:50,630
who will lie about his background I you

1357
01:04:55,420 --> 01:04:53,540
know I his friend gene Haas asked me

1358
01:04:58,420 --> 01:04:55,430
well what would it take to convince you

1359
01:05:00,460 --> 01:04:58,430
bob was legit I said well this is a

1360
01:05:03,790 --> 01:05:00,470
friendly conversation I said well you

1361
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:03,800
know copies of his diplomas the title of

1362
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:05,630
his thesis the name of his thesis

1363
01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:08,930
advisor maybe listings in directories of

1364
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:10,670
professional organization there are

1365
01:05:17,710 --> 01:05:13,760
resumes like that and i sent him a whole

1366
01:05:19,090 --> 01:05:17,720
bunch of stuff i think you're gonna tell

1367
01:05:22,330 --> 01:05:19,100
me that somebody has master's degree

1368
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:22,340
from Cal Tech and MIT and doesn't have

1369
01:05:29,020 --> 01:05:25,520
them uh you know you put up on a wall

1370
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:29,030
maybe webos does but a lot of effort

1371
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:31,190
goes into those and also incidentally

1372
01:05:36,310 --> 01:05:33,530
bombers never said anything about having

1373
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:36,320
a bachelor's degree I think it a masters

1374
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:39,410
without a bachelor's haha that's that's

1375
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:42,880
kind of difficult but you know what is

1376
01:05:50,350 --> 01:05:45,680
interesting to me you know just as a

1377
01:05:53,890 --> 01:05:50,360
side you know he came he came out

1378
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:53,900
basically in 1989 to George Knapp yeah

1379
01:06:01,300 --> 01:05:58,490
at klas television station and a darn

1380
01:06:05,470 --> 01:06:01,310
good reporter blurted out this story

1381
01:06:08,410 --> 01:06:05,480
exactly that's my point okay George

1382
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:08,420
Knapp is a newsman he's a news reporter

1383
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:12,610
he's a journal darn good one yep so I'm

1384
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:16,010
sure he must have also looked into this

1385
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:19,310
credential question well I talked to him

1386
01:06:27,220 --> 01:06:22,430
two weeks ago he says I have no faith

1387
01:06:30,580 --> 01:06:27,230
that Bob had any of those degrees he

1388
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,590
does exclaiming that he did no but but

1389
01:06:36,310 --> 01:06:33,440
does he does he believe Bob story I

1390
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:36,320
thought he did well he believes that bob

1391
01:06:42,220 --> 01:06:39,050
was out there and that he had something

1392
01:06:44,650 --> 01:06:42,230
to do with area 51 that doesn't mean we

1393
01:06:48,670 --> 01:06:44,660
have any basis for assuming he worked on

1394
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:48,680
back-engineering flying saucers you know

1395
01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:50,030
there's no evidence of that there's no

1396
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:51,740
piece of paper that even has a title

1397
01:06:58,690 --> 01:06:55,760
form of scientist physicist you know

1398
01:07:00,760 --> 01:06:58,700
those fancy titles you get right I had

1399
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:00,770
titles every place I worked and it's a

1400
01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:02,690
work classification you know and is

1401
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:05,660
you're just certain status and whatever

1402
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:10,970
it is uh so George now remember i worked

1403
01:07:17,470 --> 01:07:15,170
in under security for 14 years hi and

1404
01:07:21,310 --> 01:07:17,480
George was not familiar with some of the

1405
01:07:23,050 --> 01:07:21,320
basics like at one time he thought if

1406
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:23,060
you worked at Los Alamos you had to be a

1407
01:07:26,949 --> 01:07:24,049
scientist

1408
01:07:28,689 --> 01:07:26,959
sorry as I mentioned on the aircraft

1409
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:28,699
with their propulsion program on the

1410
01:07:33,549 --> 01:07:30,890
1100 out of 3,500 employees were

1411
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:33,559
engineers or scientists you got all

1412
01:07:38,529 --> 01:07:36,049
kinds of people and it certainly had a

1413
01:07:41,499 --> 01:07:38,539
security clearance and on the chin the

1414
01:07:43,179 --> 01:07:41,509
door I've been to Los Alamos when I was

1415
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,189
working on nuclear rocket engines which

1416
01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:45,039
they were working on at the same time

1417
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:48,140
but you your clearance gets transferred

1418
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:50,689
you have to have a clearance so I've

1419
01:07:54,849 --> 01:07:52,609
never said that Bob didn't work at Los

1420
01:07:57,009 --> 01:07:54,859
Alamos the phone book proves that he did

1421
01:07:58,839 --> 01:07:57,019
it certainly doesn't say he did anything

1422
01:08:01,419 --> 01:07:58,849
that relates to back engineering a

1423
01:08:03,009 --> 01:08:01,429
flying saucer it worked out at the

1424
01:08:04,689 --> 01:08:03,019
Maison facility they needed people

1425
01:08:06,999 --> 01:08:04,699
because the professor's come there

1426
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:07,009
without their grad students it's a

1427
01:08:11,759 --> 01:08:08,689
unique facilities the only one in the

1428
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:11,769
world that is the characteristic beam

1429
01:08:18,099 --> 01:08:16,190
and he's a bright Connie I but none of

1430
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:18,109
that means he was back engineering

1431
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:21,409
flying saucers you know I i agree with

1432
01:08:29,859 --> 01:08:25,369
you i mean i knew bob lazar actually I

1433
01:08:32,140 --> 01:08:29,869
had a production company several years

1434
01:08:36,339 --> 01:08:32,150
ago by the name of blue book films by

1435
01:08:39,459 --> 01:08:36,349
the way and we owned the life rights of

1436
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:39,469
bob lazar for a couple of years you were

1437
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:40,940
gonna make a movie weren't you're gonna

1438
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,480
make a movie gonna make a movie and

1439
01:08:49,329 --> 01:08:45,920
didn't get it done we did get an offer

1440
01:08:51,339 --> 01:08:49,339
for a television movie but the terms

1441
01:08:54,609 --> 01:08:51,349
weren't weren't that great so we didn't

1442
01:08:57,010 --> 01:08:54,619
do it but we always intended to do that

1443
01:08:59,109 --> 01:08:57,020
film and I was always hoping that there

1444
01:09:03,490 --> 01:08:59,119
would be more evidence emerging but but

1445
01:09:05,859 --> 01:09:03,500
so far it really hasn't has it no it had

1446
01:09:09,609 --> 01:09:05,869
look I'm as disappointed as anybody else

1447
01:09:12,990 --> 01:09:09,619
and I'm impressed with the guy and I

1448
01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:13,000
talked to dr. Frankel today and

1449
01:09:18,939 --> 01:09:16,909
yesterday sorry and was very impressed

1450
01:09:21,609 --> 01:09:18,949
he is straightforward scientist when we

1451
01:09:24,339 --> 01:09:21,619
talked scientific stuff and agreed about

1452
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:24,349
a lot of things and some question bob

1453
01:09:31,539 --> 01:09:28,809
was there but being there does it mean

1454
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:31,549
atlas all of us that he was working on

1455
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:33,409
back engineering flying saucony use

1456
01:09:39,730 --> 01:09:37,520
terms like gravity wave amplifier

1457
01:09:43,210 --> 01:09:39,740
patient I don't know what the heck that

1458
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:43,220
means to science fiction term I talked

1459
01:09:48,130 --> 01:09:46,010
to a radio man from Berkeley who

1460
01:09:50,860 --> 01:09:48,140
interviewed Bob with a physicist in

1461
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:50,870
disguise along with him and every once

1462
01:09:55,660 --> 01:09:53,089
in a while the physicist would ask a

1463
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:55,670
question that Bob couldn't answer and he

1464
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:57,650
told the interviewer that how much you

1465
01:10:00,190 --> 01:09:58,730
want to bet he doesn't show up tomorrow

1466
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:00,200
they're supposed to do a second session

1467
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:04,250
he didn't so you know don't ask me the

1468
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:07,250
psychology of bob lazar I won't claim to

1469
01:10:11,860 --> 01:10:10,010
know anything about it he's a wannabe I

1470
01:10:14,710 --> 01:10:11,870
guess and he certainly was as bright as

1471
01:10:18,670 --> 01:10:14,720
most of the people around that isn't the

1472
01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:18,680
question but yes his story true you know

1473
01:10:24,250 --> 01:10:21,080
wait we just don't know we just don't

1474
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:24,260
know now let me if you don't mind we've

1475
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:26,690
only got about five and a half more

1476
01:10:32,830 --> 01:10:28,250
minutes let go to show and I got a

1477
01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:32,840
couple of quick questions for you one is

1478
01:10:42,580 --> 01:10:38,900
a about the changing shapes of flying

1479
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:42,590
saucers or UFOs rather it der Hoff says

1480
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:45,230
that in the 50s of course we saw the

1481
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,590
saucers and all that and then later the

1482
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:51,440
triangular shapes and now you know we

1483
01:10:58,420 --> 01:10:54,760
see triangles and orbs so what do you

1484
01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:58,430
are they advancing their technology or

1485
01:11:03,970 --> 01:11:02,360
are we seeing different things well you

1486
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,980
know it's an interesting question I

1487
01:11:09,820 --> 01:11:05,600
think we've been under surveillance for

1488
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,830
thousands of years I think every planet

1489
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:11,840
that has finally gotten exact together

1490
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:13,580
and connect as a planet which we

1491
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:16,370
certainly haven't done yet is concerned

1492
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:19,760
about a surprise attacks you know they

1493
01:11:23,650 --> 01:11:21,260
don't want to Pearl Harbor any more than

1494
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:23,660
we would like another one so the word

1495
01:11:29,860 --> 01:11:27,050
may go out I mean a modern ear as many

1496
01:11:32,190 --> 01:11:29,870
years long and you know guys checking by

1497
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:32,200
maybe it's a different race of people

1498
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:34,370
maybe it's somebody else's turn to

1499
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:38,510
monitor the idiots us who knows I don't

1500
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:39,890
know what's going on and maybe we're

1501
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:41,390
getting better at duplicating their

1502
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:44,690
technology the triangles may be ours for

1503
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:49,520
all I know I you know the inventor of

1504
01:11:56,140 --> 01:11:51,110
the

1505
01:12:01,020 --> 01:11:56,150
flying wing uh I certainly dropped his

1506
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:01,030
name out of my mind entirely asleep I

1507
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:04,400
one of his pilots saw a flying saucer

1508
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:06,770
definitely wasn't one of our flying

1509
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:11,090
wings but I it may be that we have

1510
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:13,310
copied successfully or gotten better

1511
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,450
than the b2 is kind of triangular shaped

1512
01:12:21,730 --> 01:12:19,760
so I don't know whether some of these

1513
01:12:23,980 --> 01:12:21,740
are ours and some of these might be

1514
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:23,990
theirs and the old motherships tended to

1515
01:12:30,610 --> 01:12:28,010
be cylindrical I not big triangles on

1516
01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:30,620
the other hand that's right the big

1517
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:34,430
cigar shape ships yeah and you know

1518
01:12:39,820 --> 01:12:37,400
we've had look if you go to all here

1519
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:39,830
Airport don't get caught in the traffic

1520
01:12:47,890 --> 01:12:43,610
as busy ways uh you'll see many

1521
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:47,900
different airplanes I and different

1522
01:12:50,710 --> 01:12:49,250
numbers of different airplanes you don't

1523
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:50,720
have ten of this tended out of ten or

1524
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:52,070
something else you might have two of

1525
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:55,010
this and pretty on that 737s are very

1526
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:57,830
popular these days for example so I

1527
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:01,280
don't know what's going on and you know

1528
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:03,260
they relieve the crew maybe maybe the

1529
01:13:06,190 --> 01:13:04,730
guys who were here coming here earlier

1530
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:06,200
we're being punished been two months

1531
01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:08,690
near Earth boys I don't provide

1532
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:11,900
punishment for life you know what we do

1533
01:13:18,490 --> 01:13:15,890
also there may be commercial involvement

1534
01:13:21,070 --> 01:13:18,500
here I hate to say this but the earth is

1535
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:21,080
a densest planet in the Solar System a

1536
01:13:23,650 --> 01:13:22,610
cubic foot of Earth weighs more and it

1537
01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:23,660
could be foot of any of the other

1538
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:27,550
planets and no they are not all alike I

1539
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,930
there may be valuable minerals here

1540
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:31,760
where the being the densest planet means

1541
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:34,570
there's more heavy metals here iridium

1542
01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:37,970
osmium things like that that you've

1543
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:39,680
never heard of but that a very special

1544
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,090
properties they're very rare in the

1545
01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:42,800
universe because we measure the light

1546
01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:44,990
from stars and so maybe they've been

1547
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:46,550
mining stuff and their commercial

1548
01:13:51,070 --> 01:13:49,070
operations we're getting in a way there

1549
01:13:54,010 --> 01:13:51,080
are loads of reports of objects coming

1550
01:13:55,810 --> 01:13:54,020
in and out of the water are they mining

1551
01:13:58,210 --> 01:13:55,820
something down there there are diamonds

1552
01:14:01,810 --> 01:13:58,220
near Africa there are nodules of metals

1553
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:01,820
other places who knows what kind of what

1554
01:14:07,780 --> 01:14:03,530
reasons they're here

1555
01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:07,790
I instantly so there are many answers

1556
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:10,520
that we don't have that I don't have

1557
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:14,960
anything not yet anyway right maybe time

1558
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:18,410
for one last question um you know I know

1559
01:14:24,220 --> 01:14:21,440
that you did work on the Betty and

1560
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:24,230
Barney Hill case yes the Gorgon section

1561
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:27,940
area right and you wrote that with

1562
01:14:33,070 --> 01:14:31,520
Betty's nice right Kathleen Martin she

1563
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:33,080
did eighty-five percent of the work I

1564
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,850
only did 15 but I did write about the

1565
01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:37,040
star map and I internet betty and barney

1566
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:40,040
and so forth so well oh that's wonderful

1567
01:14:44,170 --> 01:14:41,690
you know I got a chance to meet Betty

1568
01:14:47,710 --> 01:14:44,180
and got a chance to have quite a few

1569
01:14:50,290 --> 01:14:47,720
conversations with her over time and I

1570
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:50,300
asked her what she thought about you

1571
01:14:55,660 --> 01:14:52,970
know this was during the 80s and 90s

1572
01:14:58,060 --> 01:14:55,670
when there was a lot of the UFO

1573
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:58,070
abduction cases being brought forward

1574
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,140
and I asked her what she thought about

1575
01:15:07,390 --> 01:15:02,960
some of these cases and she said to me

1576
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:07,400
that she really believed the Travis

1577
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:11,600
Walton event and so in the chant room

1578
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:13,520
someone would like to know what you

1579
01:15:19,170 --> 01:15:16,130
think about Travis Walton well I was

1580
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:19,180
part of a team that interviewed him in

1581
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,320
1978 in Arizona all right and I'm he's

1582
01:15:29,890 --> 01:15:27,440
in my movie UFOs are real it's listed at

1583
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:29,900
my website triple w dot Stanton Friedman

1584
01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:32,810
com got about 20 seconds stand I'm sorry

1585
01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:37,580
okay I believe Travis entirely he's a

1586
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:40,670
number one that's great also people are

1587
01:15:47,140 --> 01:15:42,950
asking after you how how you're doing

1588
01:15:48,850 --> 01:15:47,150
hope you're doing well and I'm doing

1589
01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:48,860
Gary well I had a heart attack a year

1590
01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:50,900
ago but it didn't knock me down for more

1591
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:53,990
than a week and away we go good for you

1592
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:55,910
that's wonderful thanks so much for

1593
01:15:59,560 --> 01:15:57,890
joining us and I hope everyone will join